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Whitetiger789

aka Vincent Anthony D'Andrea the 3rd

  • I live in Brecksville, Ohio
  • I was born on February 14
  • My occupation is Weapon Historian
  • I am Male
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  • ... but I replied to your thread on Konnor (admin's wall. Enjoi.

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  • You know, just a consideration, given that you're supposedly employed somewhere as a "weapon historian", have you ever considered adding real content or doing actual cleanup on a lot of the weapon-related articles? It'd probably be a lot more helpful than bloating the tag system, and it'd do a world of good for the factual content of a lot of the material on the wiki.

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  • I'm not sure how much you know about submarines, but it'd be difficult to use one as any sort of "base". The primary reason is that they're such a task/mission-oriented vehicle. The people they carry all serve a very specific role, which is keeping a submarine capable of performing its own mission, which is acting as a nuclear deterrent. If you try to cut down on the number of crew a submarine has, you don't end up with more room; the submarine just stops working, because it absolutely needs every single person it has on board to continue functioning.

    There's almost no spare room on a submarine at all, and there'd be almost no room to store anything aside from mission-critical items, which - again, for a submarine - is geared towards keeping a mission-mandatory number of crew fed for a very specific period of time. This runs into the next issue, a bit: submarines require regular maintenance by highly trained and highly skilled crews after every few rotations (most submarines have two crews who rotate in and out every few months). When one crew finishes up a rotation, the submarine comes back to port, restocks on food, switches out its crews, goes through preventative maintenance, and sets off again.

    They can only run for a few months at a time, due to practical limitations on how much food you can store on board a submarine, and due to the aforementioned lack of any real amount of spare space, one couldn't exactly set up a garden or something. It'd be very nearly impossible to try to fish for 150 people each day, as well; you're not going to haul up enough fish to provide a main course for 150 people three times a day, and that's sidestepping the not-so-small concern that people can't survive on a fish-only diet in the first place.

    A submarine also wouldn't be capable of storing much of anything that a crew found, either, as it traveled from place to place, and if they did decide to go ashore, they're not going to have any kind of vehicles with them, because submarines don't carry much of anything except people. A submarine crew couldn't risk sending very many people at all ashore anyway, because if they lost more than a handful, they'd start having trouble operating the submarine.

    As mentioned before, submarines are very, very, **very** cramped confines; it's easy for people to get a touch of cabin fever. This is mostly mitigated in current times by having the multiple crews previously mentioned, and swapping them out every few months so that one crew is operating the sub while the other has time available for training, recuperation, and the other necessitites of military life.

    Unless a group had three hundred or so fully trained and experienced mechanics, nuclear technicians, sonar navigation specialists, firemen, engine room crewmen, electricians, and all manner of other technical specialists, plus a reliable dock with several hundred more specialists whose only job is to perform critical maintenance on the submarine on a very regular basis, as well as a steady supply of replacement parts and mechanical and electrical systems for continued maintenance on the submarine... it'd be difficult to use as a "base". Because they're not built to be bases. They're built to hide for a couple months at a time while being prepared to fire nuclear missiles. Besides, if you had access to that much materiel and so many trained personnel, you'd be better off erecting or fortifying structures in an opportune location anyway. If you had that many personnel, as well as someone fit to command a submarine, probably an experienced-ass, long-serving naval officer, they'd be smarter than to want to hole up in a submarine anyway.

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    • They did it in World War Z, and even if the military can only do it it should still be up there.

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    • And I clearly mean the larger submarines which don't need as many people as you think to operate it and have shit loads of room.

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    • Larger submarines are the ones I'm referring to. The bigger they are, the more crew they need. Things like the Ohio-class subs, and comparable classes from around the world. They've got next to no spare room at all. What you see in the movies isn't commensurate with real life.

      Quarters in a sub are incredibly crowded. You see big, open areas in movies and on TV because otherwise, it'd be extremely difficult to actually maneuver cameras and recording equipment around the shooting area. It's a deceit performed so that they can physically record the movie, and so that the environment doesn't seem too cluttered.

      Real submarines have very narrow, shallow corridors, and space is at a premium even during the best of times. This is probably most evident with bedspace. There's only enough living quarters to house about 1/3 of the crew at a time; three people share a bed and living space, occupying it at different times of the day. When one person is sleeping, the other two people that sleep there are on duty.

      There's no room at all to be had on submarines.

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    • The only reason that was featured in the book World War Z is because Max Brooks doesn't understand how submarines work. He doesn't understand how a lot of military hardware works.

      What you're missing is that even trained military personnel couldn't use them as a base, either; even if you ripped out the missile storage area, which is basically the only non-indispensable part of a military submarine (that is, it doesn't need it to remain structurally sound or capable of traveling in its normal manner), you wouldn't be gaining much cargo space, and it'd quite possibly throw off its balance and trim characteristics enough that it couldn't be ballasted properly anymore. They're just not capable of storing enough materials needed for survival on a long-term basis, and it would be practically impossible to replenish these assets in sufficient quantities to keep the sub running.

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  • To post complaints, you should create a blog and the admins will take a look at it ASAP. And try to be respectable and professional when you present your complaints.

    Please do not create articles that don't relate to zombies of any sort. This is your only warning, so the next time will be a 3-day ban, then it will become a permanent ban if you do it again after that. Thank you for your understanding.

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    • Im sorry it is just that he's deleting everything and I tried to make a blog but he kept deleting it

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